Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Wolverine & The X-Men in the AEMH Universe?

There is a contention that the Wolverine & The X-Men (W&tX) animated series and the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (AEMH) animated series share the same universe.  There are three things offered as indicative of this:

* Christopher Yost indicated that they were in a chat log.
* The voice actor who performed the voice of Nick Fury is the same.
* The MRD, mentioned by Nick Fury in one of the micro-episodes, was invented in the W&tX series.


The most powerful argument for me is the first; that Christopher Yost, who serves as the Story Editor for AEMH indicated that they would share a common universe.  However, that was back before the W&tX series was officially canceled; if the two series were both running, then such a cross-marketing synergy would have made sense.  Once the W&tX series was canceled, however, it made no sense at all; why limit your use of roughly 1/3 of Marvel's characters by adhering to the W&tX series continuity when there was no upside?
 




The two series sharing a voice actor is not proof of anything.  There are a handful of actors who are very popular in the hero adventure animation world.  Fred Tatasciore (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0851317/ ) has played numerous characters in the Marvel and DC animated features, including the Hulk in the Lionsgate Hulk VS features, and a video game; that he has played the character in several venues does not mean those venues share a common continuity with the AEMH.

Further, while the same voice actor may have played Fury in both shows, the appearance of the two characters is quite different, including having eyepatches over different eyes!

The appearance of the MRD is categorically not proof.  It was created for the W&tX show, but was introduced to the mainstream MU via X-Factor, 204-206 (June 2010) or so, by Peter David. Arguing that its proof is just the same as arguing that Batman: Brave and the Bold is the same universe as B:TAS because Harley Quinn first appeared in one, then the DCU, then B:B&B.

Don't get me wrong - While I think it would be a bad idea because of the differences in "age" of the MU (AEMH seems to be set in modern times but with the MU begining framework) and the W&tX, as well as putting unnecessary restraints on the writing team, I'd have no serious complaint about it as such; but saying/wishing it so doesn't make it so. 

Until there is an appearance unique to both shows, all one can show is intention, and speculation - neither is proof.  If the W&tX show is meant to share the continuity, we shall at some point be provided with such proof - but we have not yet been.

Tuesday, January 11, 2011

Kang & Time Travel

"The Man Who Stole Tomorrow" - Avengers Episode 17

I am, myself, having a problem with Kang's basic premise that Captain America somehow doesn't "belong" in the 21st century. He was active until he was frozen, then sat in the arctic deep freeze as a Capsicle for ... what? Six and a half decades? Then he was defrosted.

He's not an anomaly; he never left the time-stream.

I'm also curious as to why Kang wasn't able to track Captain America's history to the pivotal moment where Cap's presence begins to tip the balance.

My theory goes something like this... Kang's time-monitoring equipment can't actually allow Kang to visit/record/whatever - the observer bit like he did in the micro-episodes - anything close to a time period when he personally manifests, so he was able to track Winghead up along the time-stream and no further. So he sees Captain America defrosted, sees the post-Kree-Skrull War after-Earth, and perhaps assumes that Captain America is the causation pivot.

If he could have presented the Avengers with the specific causation event, it could be avoided without harming Captain America. We know - as an audience - that three things are certain:

1 - Kang does not eliminate Captain America
2 - Kang ultimately fails to conquer the Earth
3 - The Kree-Skrull War fails to destroy the Earth

Any hypothesis must conform to those three fourth-wall facts.

if Kang had been serious about ridding the present of Captain America's presence, then he could merely have gone back a little further to when Cap is still on ice, removed the huge ice-cube, and tossed it into the sun, all without opposition.

I think that Captain America is Kang's scapegoat, as his ego will not let him come to the conclusion that its his own attempt to mess with the timeline of the 21st century that causes his own future to fade; that his time-travel back is part of the timeline, and that his own timeline is a branch always doomed to fade, unless he can learn to not go back - a conclusion to which he's not capable of coming.

Yeah, its a sideways paradox - but it could be the minute one leaves the timeline the first time, one essentially becomes a paradox when one travels upstream, and not subject to normal causation. Kang exists because he didn't exist to interfere - once he does not interfere, he exists to interfere, and once he does, the true 'baseline' timeline - in which another future is written, not the one he traced back to this divergence point - becomes his dominant timeline, and the branch from which he's from is 'pruned'.

The real question for me has become how did Kang's equipment trace Captain America as the causation point, or did it merely bring Kang to the approximate era and Kang himself decided that Captain America was the causation point?

.... or, umm... something like that.